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orchid
24-04-2009, 04:59 AM
By now you would have heard of the phenomenal Susan Boyle with her almost instant overnight fame?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01388/boyle_1388173c.jpg

For obvious reasons, astrologers the world over would compete to review her chart, at least attempting to explain how such overnight sensation of the Susan Boyle's phenomenon happened. Practioners from this forum are no different, unable to resist such magnetic attraction of Susan Boyle, determine to find out from her "stars", which combinations, or constellations would reveal her instant fame and success!

First thing first, her birthtime needs to be verified for the corresponding Chart, together with the correct lunar birthday. The enthusiast MobiVN was quickly to be the first cracking this case, (http://www.vietlyso.com/forums/showpost.php?p=141055&postcount=5) validated the lunar birthday to be the 17th day of the 2nd month in the year of the Ox (same age as Mr. Barack Obama). I myself went through my own process of determining the birthday, saw different suggestions on Susan's birthday, 15 June, 22 October, but eventually concur April 1st, 1961, 9:50 AM is the correct birthdata for her chart.

The next logical step is to match, and thus validate the Chart, based on the Hour of the Snake, Susan personal characteristics, talents, past events to those can be explained reasonably and astrologically. This can be a complicated process, sometimes dependent on the types of events and the person's personality, if known to the Chart reader. Fortunately, in this case, I am happy to report that her Chart can be successfully decoded to explain her instant fame, after some careful readings.

Following is Susan's Vietnamese birthchart, based on the Hour of the Snake (http://www.tinvietonline.com/KHHB/tuvi/laso.php?topic=0,1961429,Susan_Boyle,1,1961,4,2,9, 50,8,2,6,2,17&session=83)(5th hour of the day)

<TABLE borderColor=navy cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=660 align=center border=1><TBODY><TR><TD class=Ty vAlign=top width=160 height=160><TY. AHoa-DNN><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=160 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#aaccff><TD class=small>Hỏa (-)</TD><TD class=bold align=middle>TẬT-ÁCH / 73 </TD><TD class=small align=left>Tị</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=chinhtinh>CƠ <-Thổ-vđ> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Tả-Phù </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Văn-Xương </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Hóa-Kỵ </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiên-Phúc </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Quốc-Ấn </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Bệnh-Phù </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu align=right>Linh-Tinh </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiên-Khốc </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiên-Sứ </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Bát-Tọa </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Long-Trì </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Đẩu-Quân </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Quan-Phù </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>TRIỆT </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>TUẦN </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu align=middle>Bệnh </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD class=Ngo vAlign=top width=160 height=160><NGO DHoa-DNN><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=160 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#aaccff><TD class=small>Hỏa (+)</TD><TD class=bold align=middle>TÀI-BẠCH / 83</TD><TD class=small align=left>Ngọ</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=chinhtinh>TỬ-VI <+Thổ-mđ> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiên-Khôi </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Đại-Hao </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu align=right>Địa-Không </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiên-Quí </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Tử-Phù </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Nguyệt-Đức </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Đào-Hoa </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiên-Trù </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu align=middle>Tử </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD class=Mui vAlign=top width=160 height=160><MUI ATho-TNN><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=160 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#aaccff><TD class=small>Thổ (-)</TD><TD class=bold align=middle>TỬ-TỨC / 93 </TD><TD class=small align=left>Mùi</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=saophu>Phục-Binh </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiên-Hư </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Phong-Cáo </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Tuế-Phá </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu align=middle>Mộ </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD class=Than vAlign=top width=160 height=160><THAN DKIM-TTN><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=160 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#aaccff><TD class=small>Kim (+)</TD><TD class=bold align=middle>PHU-THÊ (Thân) / 103</TD><TD class=small align=left>Thân</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=chinhtinh>PHÁ <-Thủy-hđ> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Quan-Phủ </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu align=right>Đà-La </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu align=right>Hỏa-Tinh </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Ân-Quang </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiên-Hỉ </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Long-Đức </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Địa-Giải </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu align=middle>Tuyệt </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=Thin vAlign=top width=160 height=160><THIN DTho-DDN><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#aaccff><TD class=small width=40>Thổ (+)</TD><TD class=bold align=middle>THIÊN-DI / 63 </TD><TD class=small align=left>Thìn</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=chinhtinh>SÁT <+Kim-hđ> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Hỉ-Thần </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu align=right>Địa-Kiếp </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiếu-Âm </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiên-La </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>TRIỆT </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>TUẦN </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu align=middle>Suy </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD class=info vAlign=center align=middle colSpan=2 rowSpan=2><TABLE class=DanNgoTuat height=380 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=320 bgColor=#eeeeee border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=small2 vAlign=top align=left width=20 height=10>Mão </TD><TD class=small2 vAlign=top align=middle width=140>Dần </TD><TD class=small2 vAlign=top align=middle width=140>Sửu </TD><TD class=small2 vAlign=top align=right width=20>Tí </TD></TR><TR><TD class=small2 align=left width=20>Thìn </TD><TD class=info align=middle width=280 colSpan=2 rowSpan=2>
TÊN: Susan_Boyle
Năm Sinh: TÂN SỬU
Âm-Nữ
Tháng: 2
Ngày: 17
Giờ: TỴ
Bản-Mệnh: Bích-thượng-Thổ
Cục: Mộc-tam-cục
THÂN cư PHU-THE (Than) / 103: tại cung THÂN
Tử Bình (http://www.tinvietonline.com/KHHB/tubinh/?action=Submit) - Cân Lượng (http://www.tinvietonline.com/KHHB/trongluong/)

</TD><TD class=small2 align=right width=20>Hợi </TD></TR><TR><TD class=small2 align=left width=20>Tỵ </TD><TD class=small2 align=right width=20>Tuất </TD></TR><TR><TD class=small2 vAlign=bottom align=left width=20>Ngọ </TD><TD class=small2 vAlign=bottom align=middle width=140>Mùi </TD><TD class=small2 vAlign=bottom align=middle width=140>Thân </TD><TD class=small2 vAlign=bottom align=right width=20>Dậu </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD class=Dau vAlign=top width=160 height=160><DAU AKim-T><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#aaccff><TD class=small>Kim (-)</TD><TD class=bold align=middle>HUYNH-ĐỆ / 113</TD><TD class=small align=left>Dậu</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=saophu>Hữu-Bật </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Văn-Khúc </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Hóa-Khoa </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiên-Quan </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Lộc-Tồn </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Bác-Sỉ </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Tam-Thai </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Phượng-Các </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Giải-Thần </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Bạch-Hổ </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiên-Giải </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiên-Thọ </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu align=middle>Thai </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=Mao vAlign=top width=160 height=160><MAO AMoc-D><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#aaccff><TD class=small width=40>Mộc (-)</TD><TD class=bold align=middle>NÔ-BỘC / 53 </TD><TD class=small align=left>Mão</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=chinhtinh>NHẬT <+Hỏa-vđ> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=chinhtinh>LƯƠNG <-Mộc-vđ> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Hóa-Quyền </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Phi-Liêm </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiên-Thương </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Tang-Môn </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Lưu-Hà </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu align=middle>Đế-Vượng </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD class=Tuat vAlign=top width=160 height=160><TUAT DTho-TTB><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#aaccff><TD class=small width=40>Thổ (+)</TD><TD class=bold align=middle>MỆNH / 3 </TD><TD class=small align=left>Tuất</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=chinhtinh>LIÊM <-Hỏa-mđ> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=chinhtinh>PHỦ <-Thổ-vđ> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Lực-Sĩ </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu align=right>Kình-Dương </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Phúc-Đức </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiên-Hình </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiên-Đức </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Quả-Tú </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Địa-Võng </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu align=middle>Dưỡng </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=Dan vAlign=top width=160 height=160><DAN DMoc-DDB><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#aaccff><TD class=small width=40>Mộc (+)</TD><TD class=bold align=middle>QUAN-LỘC / 43 </TD><TD class=small align=left>Dần</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=chinhtinh>VŨ <-Kim-vđ> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=chinhtinh>TƯỚNG <+Thủy-mđ> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiên-Việt </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Đường-Phù </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Tấu-Thơ </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Hồng-Loan </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiên-Không </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiếu-Dương </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiên-Riêu </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiên-Y </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Cô-Thần </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Kiếp-Sát </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu align=middle>Lâm-Quan </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD class=Suu vAlign=top width=160 height=160><SUU ATho-DDB><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#aaccff><TD class=small width=40>Thổ (-)</TD><TD class=bold align=middle>ĐIỀN-TRẠCH / 33</TD><TD class=small align=left>Sửu</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=chinhtinh>ĐỒNG <+Thủy-hđ> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=chinhtinh>CỰ <-Thủy-hđ> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Hóa-Lộc </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Tướng-Quân </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thái-Tuế </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Phá-Toái </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Hoa-Cái </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu align=middle>Quan-Đới </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD class=Ti vAlign=top width=160 height=160><TY' DThuy-B><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#aaccff><TD class=small width=45>Thủy (+)</TD><TD class=bold align=middle>PHÚC-ĐỨC / 23</TD><TD class=small align=left>Tý</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=chinhtinh>THAM <-Thủy-hđ> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Tiểu-Hao </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Trực-Phù </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>LN Van-Tinh: </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu align=middle>Mộc-Dục </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD class=Hoi vAlign=top width=160 height=160><HOI AThuy-TBB><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#aaccff><TD class=small width=45>Thủy (-)</TD><TD class=bold align=middle>PHỤ-MẪU / 13 </TD><TD class=small align=left>Hợi</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=chinhtinh>NGUYỆT <-Thủy-mđ> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thanh-Long </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thai-Phụ </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Điếu-Khách </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiên-Tài </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu>Thiên-Mã </TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu></TD></TR><TR><TD class=saophu align=middle>Trường-Sinh </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

I will continue with the rationales for her "phenomenon" --nd--as seen from the angle of Vietnamese astrology, at a later time.
--ttn--

butchimau
26-04-2009, 01:17 PM
Boyle was born in Blackburn, West Lothian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn,_West_Lothian), Scotland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland) (born 1 April, 1961)

Daylight Saving Time or Summer Time in Scotland begins in March at 1:00 am UTC and ends on the last Sunday in October at 1:00 am UTC.

Giờ Tỵ phải đổi sang giờ Thìn

Quản Trị Viên 2
27-04-2009, 03:14 AM
Boyle was born in Blackburn, West Lothian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn,_West_Lothian), Scotland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland) (born 1 April, 1961)

Daylight Saving Time or Summer Time in Scotland begins in March at 1:00 am UTC and ends on the last Sunday in October at 1:00 am UTC.

Giờ Tỵ phải đổi sang giờ Thìn


Do respect the English forum rule with your comments, or your post will be deleted!

Mod 2

MobiVN
27-04-2009, 01:14 PM
Boyle was born in Blackburn, West Lothian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn,_West_Lothian), Scotland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland) (born 1 April, 1961)

Daylight Saving Time or Summer Time in Scotland begins in March at 1:00 am UTC and ends on the last Sunday in October at 1:00 am UTC.

Giờ Tỵ phải đổi sang giờ Thìn


She was born at "around" 9:50am. The "true noon" is around 1pm which put her birth hour in the middle of "Dragon" and "Snake". To find the correct one, we would have to find which hour represent her talent and her "sudden" celebrity status. I am long for Mr.Orchid and others calculation on this.--nd--

orchid
28-04-2009, 12:10 AM
Boyle was born in Blackburn, West Lothian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn,_West_Lothian), Scotland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland) (born 1 April, 1961)

Daylight Saving Time or Summer Time in Scotland begins in March at 1:00 am UTC and ends on the last Sunday in October at 1:00 am UTC.

Giờ Tỵ phải đổi sang giờ Thìn


Can you explain why “Giờ Tỵ phải đổi sang giờ Thìn”, i.e. one needs to convert/use the previous hour, the Hour of the Dragon to compensate for the DST?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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An automatic time adjustment is nonsense and groundless, especially in this case when the birth time is right on the boundary of both hours, unless you have reasons supporting the Chart based on the preceding hour (of the Dragon). <o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
Perhaps you can reason as a Xu Zipinh (Tử Bình) practitioner that the hour of the Dragon makes sense? I understand you sometimes show yourself as such Zipinh practitioner. Would you care to share your knowledge to all of us, openly and with confidence, as opposed to shyly sporadic comments that are neither contributing nor useful, and then disappear for a while, before coming back for another guerrilla ambush? I do value your opinions and am all ears.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
I already have the “answers” for Ms. Boyle birthchart, am just too busy to have the clear mind and inspiration to write right now, but it is a promise!<o:p></o:p>
--ttn--